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 Doctinal Rejection of Mormons as Christians: The Holy Trinity
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(Guest Writer, Gecko -Stealtharachnid-, my husband contributes)

In attempting to conform to the orthodox "standard" of Christian faith, it has been noted by my wife here, without challenge, that such a standard does not exist. Nevertheless, the Mormons are rejected for pieces of standards that "Christians" assert are common to all true "Christians". The truest of the true did not explicitly write of Trinity as evolved. It was created in councils of men beginning in the fourth century. The creeds of these councils reinterpreted scripture in order to put down dissent. In many cases, correct or not, they had the power of law.

In fact, today's evolution of the relationship of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost takes many forms. Many of these definitions of God are embraced under the tent of Protestant Christianity even though some were deemed heretical at the time of the councils. As is the case for all Protestant doctrines, the most popular in our time are seen as being the most correct.....

Although Protestant and Catholic Christians use the doctrine of the Trinity as a show of their solidarity, this is largely myth. The trinity Christologies of our day are so diverse that they most often define the differences of Christians. They most often define the divisions.

There are many nuances of the relationship of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost within extensively growing Christologies. They fall into broad camps: Binitarianism, Unitarianism, the Godhead (Latter Day Saints), Arianism, and Modalism. There is also the modern christology speaking of God as "a source of love, not as father, and the Spirit [that] promotes sharing within community". Some orthodox feminist theologians refer to the persons of the Holy Trinity with gender-neutral language, redefining the Trinity to be three roles in salvation or relationships with us, not eternal identities or relationships with each other. Most Trinitiarians reject this formulation, yet it is not rejected as Christian where it is an expanding phenomena within so many orthodox Christian churches. This should alert the believer today to the ever corrupting influences of wolves in sheeps clothing, for we now see more than ever this ugliness in leadership.

Justification for fifth century councils creating definitions of who God is require a certain departure from the reasonable. It is supposed that the Apostles were absolutely unable to compose the current orthodox Trinity doctrine because of persecution. Fuurther we are to believe the Ante-Nicene Fathers gave little evidence of today's specifics of Trinitarian theology. Yet, somehow, all the inspired scripyur of that time contains all the truth necessary. Do you feel the cold contradiction? However, time for writing became available with the rise of the Roman Emperor, the pagan, Constantine. True also, time was also available to those under house arrest and writings lost. Life was denied to others.

As for what the LDS know about God. There is one God embodied in three personages, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The Father and Son each have a body of flesh and bone. The Holy Ghost is manifest in the Spirit without body. The Son is coeternal with the Father. Each are of one mind, one purpose, that being "to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." The Bible implies this no less than it implies the God of the Trinity. Yet, God when seen throughout scripture has never defined Himself as without body, or as spirit alone.

In Summary:

The Orthodox Trinitarian doctrine does not follow the strict monotheism found in Judaism and the Old Testament, of which Jesus claimed to have fulfilled.

It is the invention of not so early Christian church fathers. It is a paradox and therefore unreasonable.

It reflects the influence of pagan religions found in the culture of Constantine.

The doctrine has been widely seen as contradicting the Holy Scriptures where Jesus states that the Father is greater than he is. Paul stated "Yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him."

The doctrine depends almost entirely on non-Biblical terminology. Some notable examples include: Trinity, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, Three-in-one.

Scriptural support for the doctrine is only claimed to be implicit.
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by Streisand (PM , CC ) on Friday June 15, 2007 @ 6:41 PM




You claim the Trinity is the product of councils (Nicaea, presumably.) Hardly! They may have clarified the concept, but unless you are completely intellectually dishonest, you can follow the development of the doctrine quite simply through the Gospel. (The Father is called God in Matt. 6, Jesus is called God in John 1 and Hebrews 1, and the Holy Spirit is called God in Acts 5.) The references to ONE God are too many to list, but I’m sure you know where they are and how you would dispute them.

Clearly the concept of the Trinity takes some understanding...it's a difficult concept which is why it is usually where Christians and Christian-based cults differ.

While I’m not surprised your post is devoid of any Biblical references, I think most Christians understand your need to dispute one of the foundations of Christian Truth.
 
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by frankly-speaking (PM , CC ) on Tuesday July 3, 2007 @ 12:38 PM




The Orthodox Christian concept of Trinity forces a departure from understanding. It is admittedly a great mystery. Your trinity is only one of many and denied by Christ Himself. Christ prayed to the Father, told us He owed all to the Father, was baptised as the Father spoke from Heaven. on and on the examples go. Christ clearly showed He was subordinate to the Father.

You want to know what intellectual dishonesty is? Ask Christ why he would pray to a Diety separate from himself. We believe in the Holy Trinity...just not this Buddha God you describe.

Wish you had the courage to write earlier when a dialogue would have been timely.
 
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by Gecko (PM , CC ) on Sunday July 8, 2007 @ 7:33 PM




Frank:

In your comment, you provide every evidence that you did not read the topic. Read the topic and you find there are many Trinities. There is not just one and to be Christian, you have brothers and sisters in the faith who believe in a different One God than you.
 
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by Streisand (PM , CC ) on Sunday July 8, 2007 @ 7:41 PM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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